Goku : even if he is back to normal , he is still way more powerful then us, https://images.app.goo.gl/hgkxbehapsk2WVdx5, Super Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta, Base Jiren washes Beerus just like he did the clown, Oh so it is you. SSJ2 Goku vs Kid Buu. Kid Buu > Any other version of Buu(except current Fat buu). They fought on equal footing and Kid Buu stomped Vegeta , why didnt he suppress himself to " Play " with Vegeta ? Vegeta’s pride is not enough to sway him either, but fans pretty much knew that. Though even in the manga imo it's safe to say he's at least stronger than Super Buu due to being indicated to be stronger than Gohan, and no direct statements of Super Buu being stronger. And don't forget, this is a calc for base Jiren, not LB. Goku himself cowarded in the supreme kai dimension till he was given potara and didn't even consider fighting fighting buu without the earing that means buutenks is far above SSJ3 Goku + Gohan , we know that Mystic Gohan beats buu , so that means Gotenks is significantly more powerful then SSJ3 Goku . Whis > Beerus > Frieza (DB Super and Revival of F) > SSGSS Vegeta = SSGSS Goku > SSG Goku = SSG Vegeta > Super Vegito > Buuhan > Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu > SSJ Gotenks = SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu (edited by Teengohanrocks) Explore properties. Goku and Kid Buu were fighting equally till Goku realized that the reason he was able to use SSJ3 perfectly as dead was because neing dead granted him infinite Stamina and Ki , kid Buu seemed to have infinite stamina so Kid Buu won the fight because goku just ran out of stamina as he had never used that form as alive . Kid Buu is also no where near Mystic Gohan level. Vegito > Buuhan ( if you think kid buu is stronger then these then i... i am done with you ) >> Buutenks > Mystic Gohan >> Super Buu >= SSJ3 Gotenks >>> Kid Buu => SS3 Goku , facts dont care about your feelings ( for kid buu ) son , Super buu is far far atronger then your boy Kid buu. Wstched the entire fight and he is clearly at full power , even at full power he got blasted to peieces by SSJ3 Goku . Screw statements, sheer feats tell us 100% of the time who is stronger than who.Gohan was irrelevant against Kid Buu and no one pushed him as a legitimate option. Maybe because he never suppressed his power, About the planet part , well he jumped from planet to planet to find some competition from anyone really while about satan part....... its just bad writing tbh , like satan survivng a massive fall in Cell saga, He would have if he had not sensed the ki from goku and vegeta, @tdsx2: kid buu wankers really unable to give any concrete reason for it , classic. That alone debunks your " kid buu was playing with SSJ3 " arguement , Kid Buu stomped Vegeta and did not play with him for a second for a reason, So you are saying that just because Gohan gave his Energy means Gohan gave all of his power to the power bomb ? He never even went anywhere near Hell/ the "Underworld" as you call it. This. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Meteor Attack 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Defeat 3.5 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) detonates that character has two different lines. @gelato_exotic: " nobody was expecting freeza to do it ". You're the one downplaying him while wanking Super Buu. Him getting damaged somehow means he wasn't suppressed? This makes no sense whatsoever. It's shown and stated multiple times Kid Buu>Gotenks and Gohan. Now I really know you have no idea what you're talking about at all lmao. There is no solid basis that you can use to scale that Jiren can beat Moro, nor Moro can beat Jiren. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. From the fight to statements from Vegeta and actions from Goku , all state SSJ3 = Kid Buu . Doesn't matter, fact is he said himself he couldn't stop it him and Vegeta combined and should've been able to with SS3 if he's equal to Kid Buu. You accepted that Gotenks is significantly stronger then SSJ3 Goku , low balling gotenks , SSJ1 Gotenks = SSJ3 Goku , so gotenks is roughly 8 times more powerful then goku and superbuu scales to gotenks SSJ3 while Kid buu to SSJ3 Goku. Kid Buu was literally toying with them, Goku said this himself at one point and you could clearly tell with how he was goofing around and laughing at them the entire fight. "I ain't INTERESTED in a buncha scrubs like you!! Your the one downplaying Him and wanking super Buu ". Maybe because he never suppressed his power. Anyone can apply to become a Video Game Mods site Manager. Show me a statement or any sort of evidence mentioning anyone being 8 times stronger than Kid Buu, you can't. And regardless it doesn't matter, your claim was that he doesn't know about power suppression, by your logic Kid Buu is planet level at his full power which is objectively wrong. Pls stop with the headcanon thanks, The Super Buu wank is honestly deplorable bro like, " Goku still said blah blah blah inb4 planet bust BS ", You are calling facts BS , its a fact that kid buu would blow up earth and Saiyans would die in the soacr, I am tired of yours and your disability to not understand power scaling. Prove this. idk why people still think Beerus is a relavant character in comparison to Goku. This is much worse than I imagined. By rewatching the fight between SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu in AMV form , it is clear kid buu was not even closed to being suppressed , he gets punched , he gets ripped to peices , he gets his arm ripped out , they both fly toward each other to punch eather other and ended up punching each other , they did head bashes and at no point was Kid buu laughing except when he was on the top, he even screams in pain when goku hits his stomach with his knee . JRN = Jiren KBU = Kid Buu KEF = Kefla KRL = Krillin MBU = Majin Buu RSH = Master Roshi NAP = Nappa PIC = Piccolo SBR = Broly (DBS) TEN = Tien TNK = Trunks VDL = Videl VGN = Vegeta VGT = Vegeta (Super Saiyan) VTO = SSB Vegito YAM = Yamcha YGH = Gohan (Teen) ZAM = Zamasu (Fused) Midscreen Combos Meterless . MUI never faced against Beerus. There's a difference. At this current point of time, that is tough to scale. and buu blew up the planet immediately , Goku had to teleport to Kaioshin realm to just survive because the planet was gone . " Do you want to run your own modding site? Buu's situation is the same unless you think he's human level. Follow For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Beerus's slap only bruised Bulma, same Beerus can bust planets by tapping his nail. That's just something that easily baits people on this forum for some reason. Source - https://images.app.goo.gl/H1PpNjcuRky8VzYF9: Kid buu wank is ridiculous and mind boggling like bruh. And nope, Gohan wouldn't do shit to Kid Buu, no one would. Kid Buu literally has the personality of a destructive and angry child his reactions prove nothing, especially when they contradict how strong these characters are actually stated to be. All orders are custom made and most ship worldwide within 24 hours. I concede their but beerus hitting bulma was clearly him suppressing his power and Kid buu got outclassed by goku at so many points in the fight , i doubt there was any " suppression " , you dont suppress youself when fighting equals . All this means is Vegeta is even weaker than Goku, nothing contradictory with anything being said here. Goku looked bored fighting Angel Moro and told him to try harder. Him being hurt by goku's attacks multiple times ? They never fought on equal standing though. It was always obvious that Super Buu was far above Kid Buu. Edit 3: this might be the WORST sub I've ever seen for downvoting things just because you don't like it. but then they forget the nature in 7-3's ability to copy power and just abilities. It's so blatantly obvious what happened. Not once is it ever stated by what margin Buu is stronger than Vegeta, so I don't have to prove anything to you. And regardless, Kid Buu stomping Vegeta due to the fact he's astronomically weaker than Goku isn't enough evidence at all to say he was going all out against him. You're just grasping at straws now this is sad. It's pretty obvious to me that Goku is already in the angel tier after mastering MUI, after all it's an angelic form, and we even have Merus/ Merus amped Moro to scale MUI to, so now we KNOW that it's an angel tier, it's no longer just speculation. You can't just ignore important evidence like this smh. What the manga states>your headcanon. @karkus: Damn I thought you agreed with Kid Buu>Buuhan the other day. Seeing how his equal SSJ2 Vegeta got ripped a new asshole by Kid Buu , yes , anything less then SSJ3 stood no chance and yes Goku and buu did fight on equal standing till the end of Goku's Ki . Needless to say, an attack that manages to actually do negative damage could only be straight out of Yamcha's playbook. Definitely not a coincidence. How the hell is he suppressed and getting outmatched at multiple.points ? A Dramatic Finish is a special finishing animation in Dragon Ball FighterZ. https://youtu.be/p-IAjTSy_08 , watch the short version of the fight and tell me how does buu look suppressed to you. I guess they've forgotten that Whis told Vegeta that if he masters UI then he'd be able to take on any enemy. I could ask the same for you, got any evidence Buu was actually going 100%? Inb4 planet bust headcanon BS. Here comes your headcanon and fan scaling again. Thats why he ran to Goku/Vegeta the moment he sensed their ki ? Frieza, Cell, Buu... they all became weakling in time, and it should be expected that the same would happen to Beerus and the rest of GoD tier. @gelato_exotic: " you have not proved it ". However, there are multiple statements from the Daizenshuu and Goku himself implicating Buu is stronger no matter how much he exerted himself which is the entire point here. It's not just the human race reee. Bruh, he was literally playing with Vegeta too, what? Buutenks = buu + Gotenks >>>>>>> SSJ3 Goku + Gohan to the point where Goku did not even Consider fighting Buutenks so we know Gohan >>> super buu and Gotenks so Gotenks is stronger then goku to the point where goku would get oneshotted , seeing that there are many people who believe post HTC Base Gotenks = SS3 Goku , me saying SSJ1 Gotenks = SS3 Goku is probably doing you a favour by lowballing Gotenks . Messages: 907 Likes Received: 85 Trophy Points: 154 Joined: Jul 1, 2017 Reputation: Exhausted Jiren from the Final Episode of Super vs Kid Buu. Kid Buu on the other hand was an actively impending threat. Cell's backhand didn't kill Mr. Satan either. When he punched Mr.Satan it was at full power? @aryansingh: What's so "total bullshit retarded measure" about it? The reason Goku decided to fight Kid Buu on his own was due to the fact he thought it was unfair that he was unmerged now and due to his own fighting nature, Toriyama himself has confirmed this. Everyone who has watched Dragon ball Z and Super would automatically say Jiren would easily wipe out Buu, however it did take the energy of everyone on earth to wipe Buu out and stop him from regenerating. You think at such stakes Vegeta would go completely out of character to the point even King Kai and Goku laugh about it just to spite the humans? Hurting Buu with attacks really isn't an impressive feat unless he actively tries to resist and push back like during the Spirit Bomb. Beerus fans just can't let it go I guess. He is not even capable of thinking of the concept of power suppression . ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Gohan was at full health and completely on guard anxiously following the fight and Kid Buu's actions. This relies on the assumption that Gotenks is actually stronger than Kid Buu which he isn't. LMAO so you actually think the human race is more powerful then Gohan because they have more Ki ? "Full power to even have a chance". 7 NEEDED HELP: Goku Vs Kid Buu. Exhausted Jiren vs Kid Buu Discussion in 'Dragon Ball Battledome' started by Jiren the Gohan, Jul 3, 2018. Who Wins. Your fanmade powerscale immediately falls apart when you realize that Kid Buu =/= SS3 Goku. They WANT buu to be OP, so in their mind, he will be. I already made a "rank each version of buu from the strongest to weakest" If you wanna share you thoughts go right in. Not Super BUU, not Kid Buu. Jiren pummels, despite me not knowing SHIT about dragon balls, i know that Beerus is locked in three dimensions and Jiren is beyond that trash. I already tackled all these arguments in that thread and I was yet to be debunked. Don't believe that's true for the Manga though. Then we have Merus solidify this by saying you wouldn'tlose to anyone once properly trained. You are the one who ignored my entire arguement about Goku straight out saying Super buu being far above Him and Vegeta AND proving that Gotenks >>> Goku and that Super Buu is leagues above kid buu . Goku vs Vegeta during the Saiyan Arc. Essentially Goku was fighting Moro + Merus and still wasn't taking it seriously. Equal standing while Buu was goofing off, laughing, and making a fool of Goku half the time and not at all Full Power, sure. 3 days ago. I guess this means Base RoF Goku is laser level because since he got damaged he can't have been suppressed, tf? And about him laughing , that is just his nature , he was laughing all the time even if the opponent is on equal footing , he was laughing when he moved the spirit bomb an inch toward goku. No problem with the entire Universe along with the Afterlife being more powerful than Gohan. Super Buu ranks 7-8 times above goku and potentially even more , prove that Kid buu is 7 or 8 times more powerful then SSJ3 and if he is , why didnt he just stomp him like stomped begeta. Even SS1 Goku and Vegeta despite being weaker still tried to stop him. Goku clearly states Kid buu is playing with them , manga >>> your headcanon ", Because he was jumping around , what gives you even a little idea that kid buu suppresseed his power against super saiyan 3 Goku ? Half your statements literally contradict what's shown and said in the manga. Try to keep up. After the conditions have been met, the winning fighter has to perform a grounded or a Vanish to KO the opponent. I would like to add that Kid Buu got one shotted by a normal Ssj3 Ki blast , he was destroyed to 100 of peices and the only reason he survived was his regeneration ability. Kid Buu vs Whis? And hurting Kid Buu at multiple equations unlike Vegeta who was clearly weaker and Kid buu stomped him ? There's 3 statements implicating he did LMFAOOO. Or the fact SSJ1 Gotenks was confirmed stronger then SSJ3 Goku , the same Gotenks Super buu slapped ? Lol, Goku needed an entire ass minute to charge up Ki at full power to have a chance at possibly taking out Buu. Didn't you see him throwing him around and having fun, beating him up for the hell of it? You're really making it clear again and again you have no idea what you're talking about. All your claim proves is that Fat Buu and Vegeta are weaker than SS3 Goku which is already a given. That's another point too, Goku was at full stamina and could've gone SS3 to stop the Death Ball from destroying the Earth had he been so equal but lolnope he couldn't. Exhausted Jiren from the Final Episode of Super vs Kid Buu. He wasn't asleep like before and what you're saying is pure headcanon. SS3 Gotenks was stronger than Super Buu and so is Kid Buu. Yeah, so much for that. Burden of Proof is on you now. And sure, I already posted this in the other thread and shut you down but whatever: "You're going to take more than a bit, you're going to take everything". Also not sure about if Kid Buu > Super Buu, maybe someone should CAV it. For more episodes email me at dirtbagpsychoemail@gmail.com I uploaded every episode of DB/DBZ/GT/Super to my Google Drive Hey man , do you have ANY evidence that Buu was not going 100% against goku ? Sheesh. Kid Buu vs Jiren? First of all, that's anime canon, we're discussing the manga. gelato_exotic. Buu was literally thrashing Vegeta around playing with his body. Inspired designs on t-shirts, posters, stickers, home decor, and more by independent artists and designers from around the world. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Super Attack 1.2 Meteor Attacks 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Defeat 3.5 Results Screen 4 Navigation Kid Buu is on the box and yet he is nowhere in sight. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Super Attack 1.2 Meteor Attack 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Defeat 3.5 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) … Kid Buu had no such demeanor ever lol. He looked pretty worried surrounded by buu clones TBH and He was beaten up for a few seconds , he was obviously fighting seriously , he dominated everyone but goku , hint hint - its because Goku in SS3 is as strong as Kid Buu . Green is all about the Android Saga. First of all, that's the anime canon sequence of events, pretty sure we're talking about the manga here. And he took more than just a little bit of their energy, to the point where some Earthlings grew weak. No i am being objective while you are worshipping Kid Buu . " Him stomping vegeta SSJ2 while not stomping SSJ3 Goku , if he was suppressing himself to have fun why didnt he supress himself against Vegeta ? Main article: Dragon Ball Z: Shin Budokai - Another RoadAfter Future Super Buu eats Future Babidi for his treachery, he changes form: upon gaining Future Babidi's power, Future Super Buu changes form and achieves his pure form, Future Kid Buu, who begins feeling an intense pain before discharging Future Go… Prove that Kid Buu isn't the strongest. @gelato_exotic: " goku could have gone SSJ3 but he did not because buu > SSJ3". JavaScript is disabled. Matching his speed/Strength/Ki Blasts , yaeh that seems to be pretty equal but Buu won because of Durability and Stamina, " all that proves Goku is stronger then vegeta ", SSJ2 Vegeta scales to SSJ2 goku , you used goku saying needing SSJ3 to even stand a chance as a point and i used that fight to tell you the massive gulf between 3 and 2 and how kid buu stomped vegeta but not goku and did npt supppress his power to " play " with vegeta , why ? None of the previous fighters Vegeta and Goku fought even blew up the planet they were standing on , kid buu did it instantly . Kid Buu>Gohan>Super Buu this is all canon facts hun. Headcanon after headcanon. Though, if you wanna see what a bloodlusted full power Buu looks like, refer to the scene with Buuhan's Vice Shout. Beerus stans just can't let it go and face the facts. Exactly , so him laughing whenever he was on the top means nothing as well and he was scared of vegeta's determination and will to fight , he was not scared but he was feeling wierd because of it, " matching the speed and strength of a goofing off buu ", He was goofing when goku blasted him to pieces and destroyed his arm and he was angry just because ... becuase.... https://youtu.be/p-IAjTSy_08, " power suppression is a thing against weaker opponent ". Matching the speed and strength of a suppressed goofing off Buu trying to drag the fight on purpose to have fun as Goku stated, that's cool. Combo Damage Meter Gain Goku himself already explained why he didn't get stomped which I've posted above. @gelato_exotic: its bullshit because that would put human race above gohan , the same human race super buu one shotted with his human extinction attack . Too bad guys, that's the way of dragon ball. We could have gotten an Sr Piccolo for when he fuses with Kami. He beat Kid Buu who is stronger than Super Buu. Jiren still wins. It's not bad writing at all when power suppression when hitting weaker beings is a consistent thing in Dragon Ball. Come on... @gelato_exotic: " SSJ3 Goku and Vegeta would have been able tonsave them if SSJ3 was equal to Kid Buu ". Who would win between Moro or Jiren? SSJ2 Vegeta scales to SSJ2 goku , you used goku saying needing SSJ3 to even stand a chance as a point and i used that fight to tell you the massive gulf between 3 and 2 and how kid buu stomped vegeta but not goku and did npt supppress his power to " play " with vegeta , why ? You are a funny funny man , but no you did not, " you think vegeta would go out of character ", I do not think he would , he did go out of character so the humans can save themselves for once, Not even a feat , spirit bombs power level seem to work in a different way. So Goku in two minutes of buu's presence was able to sense how powerful buu was ? So you accept that Super Buu and Gotenks , both aresignificantly more powerful then Goky , the gap between base super buu and Goku is significantly bigger then the gap between Super buu and Gohan SO that means you agree that Super Buu is stronger then Goku to the point where Goku would not even consider fighting him as he did not fight him with help from mystic gohan first and then help from Vegeta . They want him to be still relevant and cool so bad. The red super rare slot that jiren takes should have gone to Kid Buu. And it wouldn't mean humans>Gohan, I shouldn't even need to address that again for like the 5th time, and second of all it had energy from across the entire Universe and the Afterlife, not just Earth... You need to refresh your memory on DBZ sweetheart, @gelato_exotic: you want to believe you destroyed any arguements , that does not mean you actually did though, He was not and how was he supposed to go to the realm where the fight between goku and kid buu was taking place ? Because he did not supress himself once in the entire fight , what manga shows >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you want to make out of a vague statement, Gohan nearly stomped a character 8 times more powerful then Kid Buu, Fat Buu and Hercules helped AFTER goku lost his SSJ3 power , Fat Buu also in one scene beat the living shit out of kid buu when fat buu makes 4 clones, " Buu was laughing and making a fool of Goku while not at full power ", Sure , Fouth at 100% power for a long time while Clearly being hurt multiple times . He was putting on his best Saitama expression. Hilarous to see Jirennetes thinking Jiren is even a little match for Beerus. Take a second to look at our. Him straight up going for blowing the underworld and not suppressing himself. @gelato_exotic: " assuming kid buu was figting at full power ", " it is stated multiple time kid buu > Gotenks and Gohan ". Got anything new, Kid Buu still stomps Super Buu is pure fodder, @gelato_exotic: there is not a single factor saying kid buu > Super buu except the total bullshit retarded meassure of Ki in power bomb BS. You are the one making claims about Kid Buu > Super Buu , not me . MUI Goku is angel tier(most likely in the lower ranks but still in the tier). Give me one evidence that Gohan gave all of his Ki for spirit bomb, Gohan one shots Earth/Underworld and Namek with one hand , Gohan is ATLEAST Galactic and until you believe fat buu > Super Buu , it is not deniable, " your arguement would only work if SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu ". "-Cloud Strife. And? Kid Buu vs Beerus? Goku which is n't an impressive feat unless he actively tries to resist and push back during. 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