by OWmyDragonBallz » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:29 pm, Post by DSB » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:11 am, Post such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more. Gogeta is officially confirmed to be in the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie but which fusion is stronger? you probably should not do those. What do you think? almost everybody knew about him? People might say that MUI will just dodge everything, but Jiren was shown to even overpower mui and land shots on him. Gogeta or Vegito? by ankokudaishogun » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:51 pm, Post by PFM18 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:37 pm, Post LSSJ Broly is on par if not stronger than LB Jiren & LB Jiren was getting a few good hits on MUI Goku SSB negg diffed LSSJ Broly So, SSB Gogeta would also be stronger than if he appeared in the ToP In conclusion, SSB would stomp MUI Goku. .have you even watched super?Beerus? As for judging what Gogeta does to Broly, well, you also have to remember that Gogeta doesn't want to kill Broly, only beat him. and they did not do anything of Note besides cause some trouble(androids) and kill  town(Cell). It is in "Toriyama's continuity." Do we learn that in Super or the non-canon GT? Gogeta and Vegito are about equal in power. 1. If Goku UI is stronger than Gogeta Blue, that means Jiren, too, is stronger than Broly, because the difference in power between Goku UI and Jiren LB is smaller than the difference between Gogeta Blue and Broly FP. Pure logic there, and that's EXACTLY why Cell would have been dealt with as a threat preemptively, at the very least surveilled instead of not knowing of his existence until Goku when asking for directions to New Namek revealed this bit. not just earth, 2 How does being stronger than freiza make him an automatic threat to the galaxy. The potara fusion or fusion dance? Neither of them have his dodging ability and every time MUI is used it gets better, in one minute he went from being unable to win against Jiren to manhandling a Jiren that had surpassed his limits. yeah, and Broly and Gogeta fighting together against MUI Goku would lose. SSJ Broly isn't even stronger than SSJ Gogeta, who isn't that much stronger than 50x SSB Goku (Base Gogeta being around SSB Goku's level) which is nothing to ToP Omen Goku and Jiren. I don't think that Jiren is exponentially stronger than an un-exhausted Goku or Vegeta. This is a hard stomp. by DSB » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:09 am, Post I already told you they dont contribute anything, 1 Ive made it pretty clear freiza an emperor  IN fact I said that like Ten times already( exxageration but you get the point) and thats what hurts your argument. Base gogeta × Mastered SSB = SSB Gogeta. At that point he should be multi folds above the likes of Beerus, while Broly shouldn't be. Then he got substantially stronger than before when he became Jiren Sin Camisa, enough to clearly overpower MUI Goku who was styling all over him moments earlier. Earth is only one of his planets. If you're going to claim that as a reason for thinking it wouldn't work, I suggest you give up on Super, then. by WittyUsername » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:59 pm, Post 1.TO earth(precisley humanity). 2 Can Defeat: Hit Gogeta Blue >> LB Jiren > FPSS Broly = MUI Goku. Who is stronger? Yet no one knew about broly. Not the galaxy. Forum Rules. That's after all part of what a ruler does, eliminate threats before they become apparent, even if they're low-scale. by PFM18 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:37 pm. for some reason you assume since Cell is stornger than freiza= he will automatically decide to attack the galaxy.Yes, 3 No offense but what you said was ridicoulous and silly . Also  again Cell did not really do anything ( as in wipe out a planet) He said he was gonna destroy the earth after he became perfect  and when became super perfect He said he was gonna  commit genocide  and that was after he killed king kai .and even then if he noticed  Cell before the cell games. IM just gonna simplify this for you, Also Im not even gonna bother answer your hypothetial "what if I was this character". Stronger definitely. Stick to what you think is true and wait till we get actual facts regarding the matter. Super also canonizes decades old fan theories in ways that very naturally tie into the overall fabric of Dragon Ball's world in satisfying ways. Both of these characters prove to be powerful, but which one is stronger? Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited, Privacy While still retaining Vegeta's cockiness, Gogeta is a much more strategic, practical fighter, particularly in both animated films. 1 Can't Defeat: Krillin. He looks after the earth and the galaxy. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission! Gogeta is stronger. So yes, he was indeed a threat during that time. You constantly  comparison with Broly to these type of characters make no sense, 3   How does being strongerr than freiza mean your automatically a threat to the galaxy?Cell didnt have an empire. Then he powered up considerably when preparing to fight UI-O Goku. In the Manga, Goku got some hits in before Jiren started adjusting his fighting style to counter Goku's movements at which point, the two were fighting evenly until Jiren outlasted Goku, so Goku = Jiren > Belmod and any difference between Goku and Jiren were negligible. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, who MIGHT BE stronger than Beerus based only on the power Goku saw of Beerus. I'd say it's pretty clear that Jiren is stronger than Broly (fights off Goku, Vegeta and 17 at their strongest without going full power and when it's mentioned that he's above GoD level it's less … (supreme kai  lives in the sacred world of kais which is unreachable unless you have Instantaneous movment which only he knew and king kai lived in the other world). All of that said, this isn't an argument I'd bet the rent on or anything. The only scaling for Beerus and Jiren is a magazine scan that claims MUI Goku is 'possibly' stronger than Beerus. by Rebel_Yeh » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:22 am, Post they would kill the Z fighters not rule the universe. Furthermore, Jiren got gradually stronger as the two fought and it's possible for him to do the same against Gogeta as well. It's also a thrill ride, which is all I wanted and exactly what I got. However, Even if Goku used Ultra Instinct against Broly it would be a stronger version previously used in the TOP against Jiren. Cool stuff that I upload here because Youtube will copyright claim it: To ask this question completely shows that one doesn't know Dragonball story. Fusion Reborn has Gogeta only appear for a single scene, unflinchingly withstanding an epic punch from Janemba in the monster's final form before obliterating him completely with a single energy blast. King kai and even supreme kai watch over something far more massive than .kami. we saw that the androids where stronger than freiza. 2 No your not at all. Instead a fusion was used against a single opponent, wow that speaks incredible volumes for a foe of Goku and Vegeta's. nothing about attacking the galaxies. THATS BURNING.”, its just plot stupidity, no need to stress over it. they arent destroying galaxies or wiping out planets like majin buu or freiza. All in all, Dragon Ball, Z, and Super are all well worth experiencing. It isn't any more anime than it is manga. Top. Ultra Instinct vs Fusion!? Ultra Instinct gives it to Goku by a bit, as it was enough to beat Jiren, who I consider pretty far above Broly. Jiren's power was stated to be considerably above that of any ki previously sensed by Vegeta and Kaioshin in EP109, which would include both Fused Zamasu (who put up a much better fight against SSB Vegetto than Broly did against SSB Gogeta) and Beerus (who cut loose against Champa twice, and who full-power LSS Broly was only "maybe" stronger than). Whis is the Angel attendant of Universe 7's God of Destruction, Beerus. | Looking after earth  only is not his job. It was firmly established by Kami and Trunks that the Androids and Cell were a LOT more of a threat than Frieza, that alone would have given King Kai concern. I think Jiren is stronger than ssb gogeta. Krillin is a human from Earth and one of the characters who fight to protect … by Miracles » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:28 pm, Post And again the androids are a  threat to humanity/earth. But not "limitlessly" stronger. yet super siayan 3 goku ki can be felt   in the sacred world of kais(outside of the universe). this entire argument was started about broly existing and nobody sensing his ki. by ankokudaishogun » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:01 pm, Post SSG is not exclusive to the manga, Goku used it in the anime, and Vegeta has it in the anime, so there's really no manga-only elements to the movie at all. By the time Goku informed King Kai, Cell had gotten his perfect form and announced the Cell Games (not to mention took credit for the Nikki town attacks), and I'm pretty sure that anyone stronger than Frieza automatically qualifies as a threat to the galaxy at large. Rebel_Yeh Not-So-Newbie Posts: 64 Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:49 am. The point was that you guys argued it was silly for them to ignore Broly for the Tournament of Power, and I was citing a few examples of said silliness occurring in past sagas. That's what you're missing in all of this. Adding the 1 minute limit on MUI, Gogeta wins. If SSJB Gogeta is that much stronger in the Broly movie and he is, it’s still possible that … Jiren was able to fight against Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku during the Tournament of Power, and he even held his own against him, meaning he should be able to do the same against Gogeta. There's no Completed SSB, so the medium-exclusive forms from both mediums don't appear. he rules the northern quadrant. Then SSG Gogeta is probably Fused Zamasu level / ToP Anime max Kefla/Broly level, while SSB Gogeta is reaching Jiren level (Jiren holding back). and he had GOD KI( the ki that can only be sensed by those with divine status or being a god themself) which almost everybody who had it  at that time either already knew him and expected him to keep sleeping(most of the kais) or  never knew about him since again he was sleeping . That's just what I think. That's why I cited Cell. he watches over others as well (, 2 not really since again quadrant(not a planet). Nobody knew of cell but kami(who did not think of him as that much of a threat) how are they gonna deal with him preemptivly if they barely knew who or what he was( and he came froma different timeline anyway). Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta vs Ultra Instinct Goku. by ankokudaishogun » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:19 am, Post I honestly think that Broly takes the win, he tanked a full power punch from SSG Vegeta, while Jiren had to use his fingers in order to fight SSG Goku (who is stronger), not just that, he grows stronger as he fights, eventully he will adapt to Jirens attacks and clobber him. No one exactly sensed Beerus either, and even Shin didn't seem to be aware of Zeno when he first appeared (and Zeno's literally the strongest out there, enough to make Majin Buu into mincemeat or, heck, Broly for that matter). Opponents are stronger than the last. AGAIN he is not KAMI (GOd of EARTH). Super. Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) What would he do? Freiza has an empire. Him and the androids wanted to kill goku not take over the universe. Shin the science guy wrote: SSBKK Gogeta would be serious Jiren level, SSBE+KK Gogeta is LB Jiren level The movie does not clearly take place in either continuity. cell is a bio android made to kill goku and avenge red ribbon army . You're forgetting that Frieza was an intergalactic conqueror, so if Cell is even STRONGER than Frieza (not to mention as evil as Frieza was), that makes him a threat to the galaxy by default. He  was affecting the GALAXY.not just  earth. Jiren can increase his power to keep pace with Gogeta the same way Broly did, only Jiren can do so with much more strategy and endurance. this is getting tedious, Actually Cell was a threat to the entire solar system, and even if it was one planet, since universe 7 doesn’t have many planets with life on it, the Kais should have paid far more attention to him as there aren’t any other planets with people of that level so there is literally nothing else to pay attention to, that’s like saying, “I know your forest is burning and I watch over forests AND your forest also has LIFE, but I HAVE to watch these other forests with nothing happening, I watch ALL forests after all not just ONE. Watch Queue Queue by Rebel_Yeh » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:25 pm, Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:11 am, Post dozens of men following his  orders.. His job is selling planets. !. Cell did not have any reason to be going around the galaxy taking over planet to planet and selling them. GT doesn't even allude to other universes. Or would you pre-emptively ensure he's wiped out precisely because being stronger than Frieza makes him an automatic threat to the galaxy? by ankokudaishogun » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:43 pm, Post King kai job is to watch over the galaxy. by WittyUsername » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:58 am, Post The only way they wouldn't qualify as a threat is if they were weaker than Frieza, period, no exceptions. Jiren vs. Gogeta Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. freiza is an emperor who goes around trading planets for money. SSJ Gogeta had a better showing against Broly than SSB Goku did, so I give it to Gogeta. Beerus was sleeping during the events of the dragonball/dragonball z. LB Jiren, while arguably stronger than MUI Goku, lost to MUI Goku due to Goku's skill in UI. by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:48 pm, Post 2. XD. Even if Jiren>Broly, its not by much and Gogeta Blue is >>>>Broly so Gogeta would trounce Jiren no problem especially if Jiren doesn't have Broly levels of durability Jiren is not stronger than Broly. This video is unavailable. 1. by WittyUsername » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:43 pm, Post Unlike dende  who created the dragon balls he has nothing really to contribute ( except  useless training that the hyperbolic time chamber   was there already), Your FYI   contribued to nothing and made you come off as condescending. whats a guy who weaker than saiyan saga Vegata gonna do against a guy who is stronger than super saiyan goku.. I honestly think that Broly takes the win, he tanked a full power punch from SSG Vegeta, while Jiren had to use his fingers in order to fight SSG Goku (who is stronger), not just that, he grows stronger as he fights, eventully he will adapt to Jirens attacks and clobber him. by PFM18 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:39 am, Post not to mention Cell did not  really do anything compared to freiza(killing a bunch of towns  against destroying planets and trading planets). No, Base Gogeta is somewhere between SSG and SSB level.